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Exploring the Legality of DAJ’s request

In the John A. Davison Office Pool thread, DAJ asked for naked pictures of me. Has he committed a crime in two countries?

Come on ladies and that includes Spravid Dinger of course. Show us all your cellulite ridden overweight asses.

I love it so!

I’ll be asking Dad later for the details, but seeing as how it’s 1 AM there now, I won’t call and wake him. Seems to me though, that John A. Davison’s broken the law in both the US and the UK. He’s well aware I’m 17, it comes up a lot on this blog. It’s also in my public profile. And yet it seems to me he’s blatantly disregarded that fact and asked me to post naked pictures of myself. How else would he be able to see my “cellulite ridden overweight” ass, unless it was naked? Isn’t that a crime in both countries, since I’m currently on holiday in the UK?

So, is he just spouting more of his usual garbage, or has he indeed crossed the line into international felonious pandering of a minor? If so, to which police force should I report him?

I wonder what Dr. Dembski thinks of Davison’s asking for naked pictures of underage girls. I can’t imagine even THAT bonehead would approve of such things. Perhaps someone should inform him. I’d do it myself, but as you are all aware, WAD banned me. Personally. Says a lot about him too, don’t you think? He banned me for daring to disagree with his new pet, but allows Javison to continue posting there. Good judge of character, that man.

Anyways let’s hear your thoughts and opinions while Kate and I are off to enjoy Windsor Castle, Stonehenge, and the ancient Roman Baths today. We’ll be sure to take lots of pictures to post when we’re home.

Kisses

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112 Responses

  1. JohnADavison says:

    I have been unable to get it up since 330 BC, but I have been busy masterbating at Uncommon Descent until just now when I learned I am once again the subject at U Dream OF Janie.

    God bless you for all the anal probes. I’ll take all I can get, the more derogatory the better. That’s me, Old Dirt Bag Davison they used to call me!

    I love my peepee so!

    “First make yourself relax, then people will take you vigorously”
    Dohn Asswipe Javison

    Thanks again

    French Kisses in my bunghole

    “My past intelligence is undeniable, my present brain undemonstrable.”
    Dohn Asswipe. Javison

  2. LeperColony says:

    These are some nice readers you’ve got there.

    Yeah, we’re blessed that way. – jb

  3. Lifewish says:

    “First make yourself unpopular, then people will take you seriously” – Konrad Adenauer

    “They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the clown.” – Carl Sagan

    All publicity is not good publicity, and it’s quite worrying that you think otherwise.

  4. DaveScot says:

    Janie, first of all call the local police in Burlington, Vermont and make a complaint. They’ll be obliged to pay a visit to Davison to check it out.

    Hi Dave. Daddy says that although DAJ is technically quite blatantly guilty of a felony in two countries, it’s probably not worth pressing charges on a drunk old washout. He’s in need of psychiatric treatment, and he’d probably die before the case came up for trial anyway. He needs pity and hospice care, not a jail cell. As I’m sure you’re aware, Daddies are always right. 🙂 – jb

  5. JohnADavison says:

    DaveScot aka Spravid Dinger aka Sus sprigeriana I want to feel the Texas Hog in my anal cavity. Why don’t you caal the police on my flabby assed yellow piece of genetic garbage. For those of you who don’t know about this two faced creep, I once introduced me at Uncommon Descent as “my good friend Professor John Davison who likes chimps.” I’ll let you fill in my large stretched out hemorrhoidal ass with blanks if you promise not to impregnate me.

    I love my peepee so!

  6. DaveScot says:

    Dear John,

    Everyone makes mistakes. Calling you a friend was one of mine. You’re contemptable piece of shit which everyone who knows you discovers sooner or later. Even your children won’t have anything to do with you except one reborn drug addict daughter with whom you faked believing in God so she’d talk to you. Has she figured out you lied to her about believing in God yet just so she’d speak with you?

    To everyone else, John’s reappearance here is my fault. I’d tried not abusing him on his own blog for a few days and he apparently needs the abuse in a bad way so he came here, the only place he can be himself (Dembski would ban him in a heartbeat) other than his own blog where I’d chance upon the shit that spews out of his diseased mouth. My apologies. I’ve resumed abusing him at his own blog in the hope he’ll leave you nice people alone.

  7. JohnADavison says:

    Once Dembski got rid of you he promptly invited himself to fill my asshole. I still haven’t been bungholed yet today. Why don’t you resume treating me with your usual contempt and see if you can’t con Dembski into bungholing me. Come on. For once be a man and tell them all at Uncommon Descent about what a fool I am and a chicken shit, lying two faced hypocrit. You won’t open your foul mouth for me there or at brainstorms either. You are the kind of man I love so! I hope my family eats my shit and leaves for another man’s family. It speaks volumes about my lack of character.

    Take me boys. I am all yours. You have earned me.

  8. DaveScot says:

    Since the ATBC crowd follows this thread I wanted to, with apologies to dear Janie and Kate for presumption usurptation, use it clear up something that annoyed me.

    I apologized to JohnnyB for inadvertantly deleting his comment while cleaning up “off-topic” comments in my old dogs thread on UD. I was being polite. The only comments deleted were Davison’s pathetic cries of protest over me mentioning his name in the article.

    Go figure. Davison dared me to mention his name on Uncommon Descent then when I do he complains that I did it. What a spineless little creep! Davison, if you can’t take the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen. And don’t dare me to do things then complain if I dare, ya creepy miniaturized turd.

    I have it on good authority that Davison’s days are numbered on UD if he can’t be civil with me there. The authority is the person (not O’Leary by the way, that was another of Davison’s lies) who actually invited John back for comic relief. Davison, while his hypotheses surrounding organic evolution are really the best I’ve seen, is otherwise such a belligerant homunculus that everyone laughs at him. Too bad the laughter infects opinions of his evolutionary ideas. If Blipey could be as entertaining as Davison is he’d have his own comedy show on HBO. Unfortunately Blipey is average stupid belligerant which isn’t really funny, just pesty.

    Unfortunately for me I’m too late to win the pool. I suppose I’d have to recuse myself in this situation even if I was still in the running.

    So who IS still in the running?

  9. DaveScot says:

    Dembski didn’t invite you back, John. Neither did Denyse O’Leary. Scott did. He told me you made him laugh hysterically and that’s why he did it. I know for a fact Dembski think’s you’re a nut and I sure haven’t heard O’Leary say you weren’t. I continue to be one of the few people in the world who doesn’t think your hypotheses regarding organic evolution are the ravings of a lunatic. But otherwise, you ARE certifiable. An idiot savant. Off yourself so I can speak well of you in memoriam when you can’t open your mouth and make me look like an idiot for saying something good about you. I’d really like to but as long as you’re alive to fuck it up I won’t. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

  10. DaveScot says:

    Arden Chatfield:

    Was it a Freudian slip that you portrayed the ATBC reaction to my return at UD with a picture of a bunch of ugly old women applauding?

    Intentional or not, it is perfect. Thanks!

  11. Rich Hughes says:

    Tardfight! Tardfight!

  12. blipey says:

    DaveTard:

    Are you going to use your new-dog (old-dog) authoring position to answer:

    What criteria might exist that allow the majority to always be correct in its decision making?

    You do know why your inability to answer this question is funny, don’t you? If you can’t think of anything, I’ll high-light it the next time you avoid answering.

  13. Dave:

    I believe the picture that Arden used goes back to Montey Python’s Flying Circus days.

    Oh and if Blipey isn’t funny to you it’s because you’re the punchline. He sets you up and you continue to do exactly what he wants: dodge the questions.

  14. blipey says:

    DaveScot:

    Off yourself so I can speak well of you in memoriam when you can’t open your mouth and make me look like an idiot…

    Wow, it is going to take some long swath of dead bodies and broken mouths to stop making you look like an idiot. I’d try to hunker down in some sort of Montana Militia unit if I were you.

  15. JohnADavison says:

    David Springer is performing just as he always did now that he is back at Uncommon Descent, deleting everything I post and generally seeing to it that everyone realizes what a pompous asshole I really am. And see? The guys at AtBC thought there wasn’t one single thing they could like about Dave. I knew they were wrong. – jb

    Naked,
    I love my peepee so!

  16. JohnADavison says:

    Springer you lying sonofabitch. I just checked with Scott and he denies he ever invited you back. Actually it was Scott that invited me back. Who did invite you back Dembski, O’Leary or did you just invite youyrself back you lying two faced piece of genetic shit.

    Lick around my asshole you hunk o man. Don’t read for comprehension much, do you Javison? Moron. -jb

  17. Arden Chatfield says:

    So, Dave, I was wondering, doesn’t Denyse have problems with you being back on the masthead at UD, since you were, if I recall, the one who coined the term ‘Morphodyke’? Actually, that was me who hung that appellation on her. I’d appreciate credit where credit is due, thank you very much. 🙂 -jb I think you also made some elaborate joke comparing her face to a dog’s butt, no? She doesn’t, uh, ‘hold a grudge’ about this?

    And what’s your take on Joel Borofsky? Is he as much of a useless insufferable little punk in real life as he presents himself on his blog? I can’t possibly imagine that you (of all people) would actually like him, Dave.

  18. Arden Chatfield says:

    I believe the picture that Arden used goes back to Monty Python’s Flying Circus days.

    Yup. I guess the reason Dave didn’t get the reference is back in the 70’s he was too busy calling people ‘you maggots!’ and telling them to drop and give him twenty. Didn’t leave much time to be watching public television.

  19. Anonymous says:

    I want Dave to tell us again how he violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics every time he posts.

    It warms my heart to hear him explain it. We’re privileged to have heard the argument from DaveTard himself BEFORE he’s won his Nobel Prize in Physics!

  20. Davison:

    Do you know who you are dealing with? DaveScot is the Gene Simmons of ID! Married women practically beg him to deposit his quality ejaculate in them because his IQ rivals Bill’s! In fact, there is such a demand that DaveScot engages in autoeroticism several times a day while looking at an 8×10 glossy of himself.

  21. DaveScot says:

    You people (blog owners excepted) are going to have to start paying me to talk to you. There’s simply too many of you and, capitalist that I am, the way to solve this is adjusting the price of admission until supply/demand equilibrium is established. We’ll start at 5 american dollars per personal response. Payments may be made via paypal. Form a line please and no shoving.

  22. blipey says:

    I think you’ve highly overvalued yourself, DaveScot. I’d pay 5 USD for actual content but since you can’t provide any, I’ll go back to reading the funny pages. They’re not quite as entertaining sometimes, but certainly have more of value in them.

    And, lest I forget, you posted without making a response. So, here’s your first hint:

    What criteria might exist that allow the majority to always be correct in its decision making?

    …and I started out with the easy one, too….

  23. Dave:

    If you are going to charge, you should probably see what the market will support before setting price. Hold an auction and see what you can get.

    I wouldn’t start the bidding as high as 5 USD, however.

  24. DaveScot says:

    bushwhacked rage

    You presume that I set a price I expect will be met. You presume wrong. The ideal situation is that no one buys what I’m selling even though the price isn’t a barrier. That way you can’t claim I’m being unreasonable and I can claim I offered a reasonable way for you to get answers from me. Thanks for playing.

  25. Biogeer says:

    The lengths you’ll go to to avoid answering an inconvenient question are staggering.

    What a coward.

  26. DaveScot says:

    Blipey,

    What criteria might exist that allow the majority to always be correct in its decision making?

    I can spoonfeed this stuff to you but at $5 per spoonful you’ll go broke before we get through the first day of Political Science 101. But hey, at least I will no longer care if you continue to make stupid clown faces and spit it out.

    Why don’t you pay me $5 and I’ll give you the title of the political science text my college professor used to teach the course. You might want to buy this first just so the poly sci book isn’t a waste of money.

    P.S. I noticed VoiceOfReason was blacklisted at Uncommon Descent. Evidently I’m not the only one who thinks you’re a stupid pesty clown. Unfortunately the anonymous proxy trick I gave you doesn’t automatically get around registration systems which is why it’s so much trouble for me to post comments on After The Bar Closes. Speaking of the anonymous proxy trick – you’re an ungrateful stupid little clown. I help you out with something and you repay me by being an ingrate. You’re fucked up, Blipey. What a loser. Are you on public assistance yet? If not, you will be. It’s inevitable with people like you that people like me eventually end up supporting you.

  27. blipey says:

    Well, I guess I’ll have to give you another hint. Fortunately, I anticipated this and have come up with several dozen hints that I can use to guide you to your epiphany. So, here’s hint #2 as to why your inability to answer is funny:

    What criteria might exist that allow the majority to always be correct in its decision making?

    Who is the majority?

    Briefly, I did thank you for the proxy if you’ll recall.

    And, thanks for being so concerned about my financial well-being. I don’t need your money, but if you’d really like to do something with it, can I suggest donating a sum to a children’s charity. Here’s one of my favorites: The Love Fund

  28. DaveScot says:

    Blipey,

    What part of “I will answer your question for $5” didn’t you understand?

    Is $5 more than you can afford? Would an installment plan help you around your financial hardship? Take a tin cup, hold it out on a busy street corner, and then just be yourself. I guarantee in no time at all you’ll be able to afford to have me answer a question for you.

  29. blipey says:

    Looks like hint #2 was too difficult. Here’s #3 then. This isn’t a timed exam, so feel free to look back over previous hints at any time.

    What criteria might exist that allow the majority to always be correct in its decision making?

    There are 2 different, yet relevant, groups which can claim to be a majority as regards this question.

  30. Arden Chatfield says:

    Darn. I really wanted to hear Dave’s unvarnished take on Joel Borofsky, but it’s not worth $5 to me. 😦

    We already know what he thinks of Denyse and Davison. We got that for free. 🙂

  31. That way you can’t claim I’m being unreasonable and I can claim I offered a reasonable way for you to get answers from me.
    No, that’s not unreasonable. Lots of nobodys on the internet charge you to talk to them. When discussing ideas it is not unreasonable for you to back up those ideas with evidence. It is unreasonable to charge people.

    Reasonable is not a word I would use to describe your pathetic idea. Thanks for the laugh, though. I guess those are free.

  32. DaveScot says:

    arden:

    you cheapskate

    you give me 5 dollah i answer you about g i joel long time

    you not regret

    bushwack wage:

    no ticky no laundly

    solly bout that shit cholly

    blipey:

    what part 5 dollah you not understand?

  33. blipey says:

    Hint #4:

    First, we recall the question.

    What criteria might exist that allow the majority to always be correct in its decision making?

    Now, for those of you who don’t wade up- or cross-thread, this question was formed as a response to DaveScot’s assertion that people should always be able to decide what’s good for them (specifically in regard to public education).

    So, the hint, in form of hangman (I’ll provide a couple of letters since this exercise is proving difficult for DaveTard):

    The first group that can claim a majority is the
    _ A R E N T S
    O F
    T H E
    S _ U D E N T S

  34. DaveScot says:

    I give you two letters for the price of one. That’s just $2.50 per letter, Blipey. Even a stupid clown like you should be able recognize a bargain like that!

    Is “stupid clown” redundant?

    You can get the answer to that question for less than the price of a frozen latte from Starbuck’s.

  35. Arden Chatfield says:

    you cheapskate

    you give me 5 dollah i answer you about g i joel long time

    Well if you were here, I’d be willing to stuff a fiver down your g-string for the story, but if I have to purchase a money order and address an envelope, it’s just too much hassle.

    Is there any way you could coax Davison back? I was really enjoying the, uh, ‘banter’ you two had going.

  36. DaveScot says:

    Mind you, I’d just be giving you the letters that complete an incorrect answer. I don’t want to be held accountable for your stupid clown answers. You’re a poster boy for why kids shouldn’t be homeschooled by Alaskan retards.

  37. blipey says:

    In the continuing saga of “Will DaveTard Figure Out Why He’s Funny?”, we have Hint #5:

    As always, the question:

    What criteria might exist that allow the majority to always be correct in its decision making?

    The hint, in the same format as the previous:

    The second group that can claim a majority is the

    S C I E _ T I S T S

  38. blipey says:

    Yes, of course, DaveScot, the majority would actually be voters in the School District, but “_arents…” gave me the chance to use the initials _ & _. They are ostensibly the same group in regards to this question.

    p.s. If you’d like to attempt character assasination of me, please do better research (I’ll define research if you need me to.). I’m not hard to find.

  39. DaveScot says:

    arden

    Looky here homo. If you tried to put a fiver in my underwear you better first make sure your health plan is paid up and you can cover the deductable for an emergency room visit to get yourself sewn back together. PayPal doesn’t require stamps or envelopes. What planet have you been living on that you don’t know about PayPal? I don’t want to tease Davison anymore today. That would be unfair. He’s on double secret probation at UD and if he doesn’t behave himself there for the rest of the day he’s, in the immortal words of me, OUTTA THERE.

    biogeer

    I was under the impression that staggering is your normal gait. Oh hold it. That’s Steve Story. Mibad. You all look alike to me.

  40. DaveScot says:

    Blipey,

    You weren’t homeschooled by Alaskan retards? I find that hard to believe. Your every stupid clown utterance screams it out.

    I’m sorry but I can’t cut you a deal on the price of the final letter in your next incorrect answer but at the rate you’re going we might be able to work out a volume discount.

    Maybe one of your slightly smarter playmates will feel pity and tell you for free why parents and voters aren’t “ostensibly the same group”. And don’t try to use big words like ostensibly. It just makes you look even more clownish which heretofore I hadn’t believed possible. Fuck you’re ignorant. You could make a real killing as an entertainer if you’d ditch the clown makeup, put on a suit, and act natural by pretending to know things.

  41. blipey says:

    Hint #6:

    We recall that DaveTard is trying to answer the question:

    What criteria might exist that allow the majority to always be correct in its decision making?

    The context of this decision making is public education. Now the next hint about why DaveTard’s inability to answer this question is funny:

    What specific group do you think should make these education decisions?

  42. DaveScot says:

    Alright, this is getting tedious and I already hinted at the answer when I told you one of the criteria was being 18 or older.

    The people who should make the decisions about their local public schools are the registered voters in the school district in question. Generally that’s everyone:

    1) residing within the geographic boundaries of the school district and,
    2) is 18 or more years old and,
    3) is not a felon (most states) and,
    4) are U.S. citizens and,
    5) have registered to vote in public elections.

    I’m a voter registrar in my county, by the way.

    Ostensibly this is who elects representatives to the school boards and they in turn are expected to vote in a manner more or less copacetic with the wishes of the people who voted for them. That’s called representative democracy. You’d know that if you weren’t a poster child for what’s wrong with social promotion.

    In reality these righteous deciders of local public school issues have their decisions nullified or overridden by federal judges and federal legislators who do not reside within the school district and for whom the people who do live in the district aren’t able to vote for.

  43. Arden Chatfield says:

    Looky here homo. If you tried to put a fiver in my underwear you better first make sure your health plan is paid up and you can cover the deductable for an emergency room visit to get yourself sewn back together. PayPal doesn’t require stamps or envelopes. What planet have you been living on that you don’t know about PayPal?

    Still too much hassle. If I’m gonna go to that much trouble, there has to be a big payoff, like burning down a church or spreading Ebola.

    C’mon, Dave, get real, since when have you not wanted to SHARE YOUR OPINIONS?? I’m actually INVITING you to hold forth! I can’t imagine that Joel doesn’t irritate the shit out of you!

    I don’t want to tease Davison anymore today. That would be unfair. He’s on double secret probation at UD and if he doesn’t behave himself there for the rest of the day he’s, in the immortal words of me, OUTTA THERE.

    Well, come ON, Dave, consider it a test of Davison’s character! If he can’t restrain himself, he doesn’t DESERVE to post at UD, right? Besides, would he necessarily get canned at UD for misbehaving at other sites?

    Besides, think of the hilarity!

  44. blipey says:

    Oh, now that was only slightly difficult now, wasn’t it? That was an answer; unfortunately it was NOT an answer to the QUESTION I POSED, which was:

    What criteria might exist that allow the majority to always be correct in its decision making?

    Hint #7:

    Of the above (hints 4 and 5), which group do you feel should not be involved in these decisions?

  45. DaveScot says:

    Arden

    Seriously, the only thing I’ve read from or about Joel is what you church burnin’ ebola boys have posted on the Uncommon Pissant thread or whatever you renamed it to. Speaking of renaming the thread, what was up with that? At any rate, how could he annoy me when I ignore him? And let’s just say what I’ve read on ATBC hasn’t given me a very high opinion of the lad. And that milquetoast brushoff is all you get without paying for more.

  46. blipey says:

    Hmmm. Let’s take a different path with the hints–one from English class.

    The question in question:

    What criteria might exist that allow the majority to always be correct in its decision making?

    Hint #8:

    Which of the following words is an adjective?

    a) majority
    b) correct
    c) criteria
    d) always

  47. DaveScot says:

    Blipey,

    Define “correct” in the context of things that people vote on in local elections. Your question makes no sense to me. Ballots aren’t tests with correct and incorrect answers. Have you ever participated in gov’t anywhere in any capacity?

  48. blipey says:

    Ah, now we’re getting somewhere. I agree that elections are not the same as written exams. While there may–theoretically–be some perfect answer to be found on a ballot, I think it would be way too complicated (or impossible) to figure out what it might be or if it exists.

    That being said, there are certainly areas that are not gray in elections. If you recall, the conversation at that point revolved around who should make public education decisions and “flat Earth theory” came up.

    Now, you seem to say that the majority should always rule. If a majority wanted to teach “flat Earth theory”, would this be correct? Should we allow it to happen? Are there any actions we would be justified in taking to prevent this theory from being taught in public schools?

    Yes, in the above paragraph “correct” still has some ambiguity. I can see several equally valid arguments here. I would like to know what you think.

  49. blipey says:

    Oops, sorry Dave, forgot to define correct decision:

    In the context of the question:

    the decision that creates the most amount of good for the group as a whole…can even be taken as creating the most amount of good for only the majority of said group

  50. DaveScot says:

    Blipey

    Paris Hilton’s wealth is inherited. That doesn’t correlate well with being smart. Self-made wealth does. And I don’t think I’m wealthy. I’m financially independent. But so are hobos. It’s really a matter of lifestyle. I just happen to invest in things that I can enjoy and improve while owning them. For instance, instead of stocks and bonds I own a private beach and I’m anchored offshore of it in a largish motor yacht right now as we speak. My work for tomorrow is applying ArmorAll on the seats of my yacht tender (a 270HP, 17 foot jet boat). I also noticed some broken bolts on the dock and will be replacing those too. I dashed over to Home Depot and got all the hardware at 7pm today when I noticed. I had to get a new battery for my DeWalt cordless drill. Boy they really stick it to ya on those. $70 for one new battery. I agonized for about 10 minutes on whether to spend $70 for a new battery or $170 for a new drill that comes with two batteries. The old drill is 6 years old but works fine. I bought just the single battery. A full day’s work out in the hot Texas sun manana. I love it so! I’ve got the big boat up for sale. I maintain it myself and its become a bit of a ball & chain what with it being on a private beach with a private dock. The dock is the real problem. I’m going to rent out the dock when the boat sells (the rental income will pay the property taxes which are getting ridiculous and I’ll still have use of most of the beach and all the land). The boat should sell at a small profit – about 20% over four years. The cost of materials has gone up substantially in the last few years due to higher cost of energy. I got lucky there. Plus I’ve added a lot of improvements to it. It’s got wicked good electronics in it now from entertainment to ship’s systems. I’m going to buy a used motor home next and do some travelling. Never buy these things new. The first five years are a period of rapid depreciation. With a little luck and some elbow grease making improvements, when I sell the motor home it’ll be at a profit too. The beach and attached acreage was unimproved when I bought it. Between me clearing the land, grading the beach, putting in a 500 foot concrete driveway/boat ramp from road to shore, running water lines, electric cables, and TimeWarner cable to the dock, I’ve substantially improved it. Cutting timber and hauling it out by hand is one fucking tough job. I don’t think I have it in me to do that again but I wanted to be able to say I cleared my own land with my own hands just like my farmer ancestors did. It’s worth several times what I paid for it and I enjoy the hell out of it. That’s my kind of investment. Working outdoors at hard manual labor is good for my health and profitable too. I’m tanned the color of a walnut and strong like a bull. Joints are acting up a bit is the problem. Quite a change from the pasty flabby me that sat in a cubicle at Dell 6 years ago. Life is good, Blipey. Too short but really, really good. Don’t fritter it away clowning around.

  51. DaveScot says:

    Blipey

    Your notion of correct is naive. You’ve watched Star Trek the Movie too many times. Spock: The needs of the of the many must outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. It’s fiction, Blipey. DUH! What creates the most amount of good for the group as a whole is usually impossible to calculate. For instance, what’s a better use of money from a bond issue – raising teacher salaries or putting in a computer lab? Or no bond issue at all and leave the taxpayer’s money in the taxpayer’s pocket. Everyone has a different idea of what’s good and what ain’t. Individuals can sometimes make that determination for themselves but doing it in a group doesn’t work. Are you a friggin’ Marxist or something? Marxism has failed everywhere. Some people (most if you ask me) are greedy and there’s no getting around it. Greed consigns Marxism to failure. Capitalism in a democratic system thrives on greed so it works out pretty well. The best thing going, comrade.

  52. DaveScot says:

    “If a majority wanted to teach “flat Earth theory”, would this be correct?”

    Correct how? Politically, scientifically, morally?

    It’s correct for the people who want to teach it to their children morally and politically. Scientifically it’s not but it’s none of my business to force my minority opinion that scientific accuracy trumps everything else onto a community that feels otherwise. I’ll send my kid to a different school or perhaps inform him at home that flat earth theory is fucking nuts and don’t believe a word of it. The bottom line is it’s not unconstitutional to teach bad science. It’s a shame but if that’s what the majority wants then as a devoted disciple of democracy I’ll have to live with the majority decision.

  53. blipey says:

    Now, that’s why it’s funny. You nailed it!

    I’ll be back this evening with a few questions, but right now I have to continue with my pathetic, down-trodden life by making a lot of people laugh and enjoy themselves–in general, brightening their day–sure sucks to be me.

  54. Rich Hughes says:

    Dave – I see you’re having *BIG* problems understanding GAs. Let me know if I can help.

    Your Friend,

    Rich.

  55. Zachriel says:

    DaveScot: “The people who should make the decisions about their local public schools are the registered voters in the school district in question.

    And in the United States, that’s how most decisions are made — within the confines of overriding public interest. For instance, all jurisdictions must provide a free public and compulsory education to children. They can’t exclude or segregate according to race or religion, no matter how deep rooted their cultural traditions might be. And when they call a class “science”, they are required to use it to teach science.

    DaveScot: “Scientifically it’s not but it’s none of my business to force my minority opinion that scientific accuracy trumps everything else onto a community that feels otherwise.

    What is taught in the science class should be science, not a subterfuge for religion. It is always wrong to teach children lies. Flat Earth is not supported by the scientific evidence. And if was introduced as a subterfuge to teach Creationism in the science classroom, that would constitute another and far worse lie.

    Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?

    It’s wrong to use the public schools to proseletyze a religion, and is oppressive to those who may not hold the majority religion.

  56. JohnADavison says:

    Hey Spravid Dinger,

    Things are going well for me over at the looney bin!

    I take it from all the horny men here who have abandoned the real world and get it in every orifice. I definitely need a change of pace. I’ve been hitting on the bannana tree in the lobby if you get my drift.

    Bye now.

  57. JohnADavison says:

    I thought I was banned here. — Just because we choose not to block your IP doesn’t mean you’re not banned, stupid. — Damn it and I just told the whole world that I had been banana-ed here and at EvC and Panda’s Thumb and Pharyngula and ARN and God only knows how any other snake pits. I guess that makes me a lying son of a bitch doesn’t it? –Well that’s the nicest thing I could say about you, scumbag.–

    I love my peepee so!

    I like it when my fellow inmates lick around my ass!

    — Have a nice day – Kate

  58. JohnADavison says:

    I love my peepee so!

  59. davescot1 says:

    Kate,

    Are you out yet? In the immortal words of Joan Rivers “Can We Talk?”.

    Hope you had a great time in London. I spent a week or two there installing a computer system in the Bank of Paris (London branch). A client put me up at his home. It was weird – his home was 400 years old and the garage 600. The last time either had anything “modern” added appears to have been 100 years ago at least. There was church visible from the house that was 1000 years old and the paving stone road leading to it was put in by the Romans. A pub just a few doors down the street was made of logs, the interior ceiling couldn’t have been more than 6’6″ and was built partially sunk in the ground – only about 3′ of it was above ground level. I didn’t do any sight seeing while there. Just worked and drank lots of beer. It seems like no one I met after lunch was sober.

  60. DaveScot says:

    Dat was me above. I must’ve accidently clicked “other” instead of “blogger” when choosing an identity.

  61. Rich Hughes says:

    Dave, I’m here for you if you want to learn about AI or search.

    Rich

  62. Hi Dave!

    I’m the proud owner of a DD214 with my name all over it! I also got a pretty little discharge certificate to hang on the wall, so fire away. I’m gonna take your advice on discussing the specifics of my job, though, in case I decide to continue that as a civvie.

    We’ve been a little busy with yard work the last few days. Trying to get down all the dead limbs and stuff from the trees around the house. We gotta get that done before Ernesto gets here on Thursday or Friday. Preventative Maintainance, and pre-emptive damage control. You know the drill.

    Kisses,
    Kate

  63. DaveScot says:

    Hi Kate!

    Welcome to the wonderful world of inactive duty in the USMC. The view in the rearview mirror gets better and better as time passes. There’s a mid-life crisis that comes when you realize you’re too old to enlist again even if you wanted to. Then after you’ve been out for 20+ years and know you’d be retiring if you stayed in there’s another kick-myself-in-the-ass period but otherwise it’s a great thing you never, ever forget. There’s no time in my life with memories as deeply forged.

    Actually I don’t know the hurricane drill. Never lived anywhere they were a threat except perhaps 3 months on the island and hurricanes never crossed my mind there. I would’ve welcomed one if only it blew away the sand fleas for a while.

  64. DaveScot says:

    Rich Hughes,

    You’re here for nothing and I’m sure that’s reflected on your resume. Why do you feel compelled to try to bother me here? You should mention this to your therapist next time he stops by to look in on you.

  65. Rich Hughes says:

    Dave, I read your naive / misinformed musings on GAs. You seem to be a guy with an appetite for thought and learning, so I’m here you if you want to get into the details. Brute fore is not AI. You’d find AI fascinating, I think, we’d start with ‘greedy best first’ or some such and move on from there.

    I was thinking of you the other day when I was some badly photo-shopped porn.

    Your friend,

    Rich

  66. DaveScot says:

    Rich,

    Perhaps if you point me to your accomplishments in the field of computing I’ll be more willing to accept your claims of expertise. What have you done that people have found valuable enough to purchase or employ to practical ends? Absent that you’re just blowing hot air as far as I’m concerned.

  67. blipey says:

    Dave,

    Perhaps if you point me to your accomplishments in the field of fungus growing…no, strike that…biology, I’ll be more willing to accept your claims of expertise.

    What novel mushroom varieties have you smoked…no, strike that…created…no, strike…designed that people have found valuable enough to overthrown The CHURCH!!!! of DARWINIANISM!!!! ????

    Absent that, you’re just an asshole…strike…blowing hot air.

    Print it!

  68. Rich Hughes says:

    Personally I find it distasteful to brag about one’s achievements. I was simply offering a few pointers to a man who has an somewhat antiquated view of search. You don’t have to be an innovator to understand something, Dave, if that’s the straw man you wish to construct.

    The offer still stands, in good faith.

    Your freind, Rich.

  69. Hi All!

    We actually took a break from hurricane duty yesterday (it was miserable hot!) and I left a comment in this thread, but it got lost somehow. Janie didn’t have the energy to try and track down the glitch.I’m hoping this gets through. Poor girl is exhausted.

    Dave said:
    “The view in the rearview mirror gets better and better as time passes.”

    I’m looking forward to the view in the rearview. I thought about how I’m going to feel in the year when I would have retired, and I guess I’ll worry about that then.

    Actually I don’t know the hurricane drill.

    Maybe not, but I’m sure you remember preventative maintainance. Samey same. If it’s a weapon or a car or a helicopter or a house, it’s all really the same. Take care of it, fix it before it breaks and lets you down.

    We’re getting rid of dead branches, loose debris, putting away the patio furniture, yada yada yada.

    New batteries for the radios, plenty of dry food in the cabinets, check the generator, repair the chainsaw, (I broke it), might as well trim the hedges, fix the storm door, clean the gutters… You get the idea.

    Hi blipey!

    Got a literature post for us yet? Janie’s been waiting for that, don’t let her down! When was it that you’re going off on tour?

    Kisses,
    Kate

    Lots of work to tend to.

  70. Rich Hughes says:

    “Got a literature post for us yet? Janie’s been waiting for that, don’t let her down! When was it that you’re going off on tour?”

    Blipey is in the witness relocation program because Davetard wants to bash him.

  71. DaveScot says:

    Rich,

    You offered to be my teacher in computer science. Having been a hardware and software design engineer for over 20 years, the last 7 of which as a key engineer at the most successful computer company in history while it went from $1B to $40B in revenue, I think it’s fair to ask what your qualifications are to be teaching me anything. So I’ll ask again, what are your qualifications? It isn’t bragging if I request the information. I predict you’ll dodge the question again with some lame rationalization.

  72. Rich Hughes says:

    Dave, I offered to be your teacher in AI – the fact you’ve conflated it with ‘computer science’ and your naive previous posts on brute force searches highlight your conceptual shortcomings. I understand your that insecurity makes you want to compare resumes (although not pictures – you slighted Ed Brayton’s, yet we don’t see yours) – but I have a rule of not feeding trolls personal information. I don’t purport to be an authority or world class expert – but evidently I know a shit load more than you. When you get up the curve you can seek out whichever world authority you like, but you don’t need Shakespeare to teach you the alphabet.

    Your friend,

    Rich.

  73. TardWatcher says:

    DaveScot conflates luck with intelligence and expertise, LOL!

  74. Biogeer says:

    Davetard, you’re an engineer? Where did you get your degree? Which professional engineering association are you registered with?

    Or are you an “engineer” in the sense that an MCSE is an engineer, or a janitor is a sanitation engineer, which is to say not a real engineer at all but an uneducated charlatan.

    In which light, your stunning ignorance concerning topics like thermodynamics and computer science makes a lot more sense. And your desperate appeals to your own nonexistent authority all the more laughable.

  75. Rich,

    When you and Biogeer and “Tardwatcher” are done comparing dick sizes, drop us a note, we’d like to have our blog back.

    Thanks.

    Kate and JanieBelle

  76. DaveScot says:

    Oh wow. I didn’t know they were comparing dick sizes. I thought they were talking about physics when they mentioned the Planck Length.

    LOL – I kill me sometimes!

  77. DaveScot says:

    biogeer

    I got my degree from the same school this guy got his. This is where many of us went to school back in the day.

    Paul Allen, Bill Gates, and Mike Dell are fellow alumni with me. Bill got a SAT score of 1590 and Paul a perfect 1600 so that explains why they made more money than I did with my 1480. But I did okay. I’m not sure what Mike Dell’s SAT score was but he’s Jewish so that explains that.

    ROFLMAO – I kill me again sometimes!

  78. Rich Hughes says:

    Kate and JanieBelle

    I was just offering to help Dave out. He has a veracious appetite for learning, so I thought he’d like some modern thinking on the subject.You know, your mate Dave who threatens Blipey with violence. Complicity and all that.

    Your friend,

    Rich.

  79. DaveScot says:

    No, no, no… Rich.

    It wasn’t a threat. It was a promise.

  80. Rich Hughes says:

    You’re very brave from behind a keyboard with the total anonymity of the internet, aren’t you Dave? But you’re quite the endorser of violence over reason:

    http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/07/davescot_endorses_intimidation.php

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/04/pz_myers_godless_babykiller.php

    “Actually it makes me feel like doing some pain experiments on PZ Myers. I don’t believe he feels pain. All the blood and screaming from my fists pounding his face to a pulp would be nothing more significant than an automobile engine leaking oil and bearings making noise from lack of lubrication. “

    I’m a big lad and I’d happily smack that shit out of you, except that I have a mind and I k now that violence is wrong regarding differences of opinion, infact it’s wrong untill all reasonable alternatives have been exhausted.
    Now make some hyperbolic claims from the safety of behind your keyboard.

    I see you and Jesus are alums!

  81. DaveScot says:

    Drop on by, Rich. I don’t know where you get that I’m anonymous. I’m in the phone book. I’m 5’10”, 220#, strong as an ox, carry concealed, and am trained to fight by the premier institution dedicated to the art of human slaughter in the world today – The United States Marine Corps. Like a well trained police dog the concept of losing a fight is inconceivable to me. Bring it on, beeatch.

  82. “I was just offering to help Dave out. He has a veracious appetite for learning, so I thought he’d like some modern thinking on the subject.”

    No sir, what you have been doing is baiting Dave into a pissing match. Dave has always conducted himself respectably here, except when someone like you comes here and baits him into a pissing match. Knock it off, or find yourself on the receiving end of the Big Green Marker.

    “You know, your mate Dave who threatens Blipey with violence. Complicity and all that.”

    Both Dave and Blipey are regular commenters here, even though they have both crossed the line from time to time. We let them slide a bit more than others because they contribute here. Even Janie’s getting a annoyed by it all, though.

    Blipey is a big boy and seems quite capable of taking care of himself. He has yet to complain to us about his pissing matches with Dave. When he does, we’ll decide what to do about it. (That is NOT a license to continue, Blipey and Dave!) Any more comments about fighting or violence will be deleted with extreme prejudice.

    I swear to fucking god, sometimes you all remind me of a bunch of teenage boys bragging about your dick sizes, and making “yo mamma” jokes. Or a bunch of Marines bragging about your jobs, and which is more manly.

    Maybe there would be more important discussions here if you all traded some of your testosterone for some estrogen. I’ll bet you could get your doctor to prescribe you some birth control pills. That might help. I like my men manly (and bald), but I don’t like teenage boys who have to brag about how big their dicks are.

    Kisses,
    Kate

  83. Biogeer says:

    With apologies to the bloghosts. I can’t help myself:

    I got my degree from the same school this guy got his. This is where many of us went to school back in the day. Paul Allen, Bill Gates, and Mike Dell are fellow alumni with me.

    And not an engineer among the lot. Clue: Programmers (and even guys who solder chips to boards) are not engineers. I wouldn’t expect any of these wealthy fellows to know much at all about thermodynamics, although I’m sure they all have the good sense not to make asses of themselves pretending they do.

    Bill got a SAT score of 1590 and Paul a perfect 1600 so that explains why they made more money than I did with my 1480.

    I bet they even took the test while still teenagers in high school!

    Really, though, has it ever occurred to you why scientists do not post their IQ or SAT scores in their journal papers, or why real engineers don’t put them on drawings or reports? It’s because the works (and arguments) of real professionals are expected to stand up on their own merits. Once someone starts talking about how rich they are, what a high SAT score or IQ they have, or how easily they will beat someone up, we laugh and mock because these are perfectly reliable indicators of gross incompetence and low character.

  84. Zachriel says:

    Off-Topic

    biogeer: “With apologies to the bloghosts. I can’t help myself:

    Apparently. Your point about credentials is correct. But, out of respect to others who may be interested in the actual topic at hand, I have found it best not to take the troll bait. (Of course, the topic of this thread invites trolling. My comments are meant generally.) Most personal blogs lack the multithreading capability of newsgroups, so it can be difficult to find actual content when the thread is cluttered with extraneous discussions.

    Hey, I’m not perfect and I’m not a member of the thread police. (The greenmarker is in someone’s else’s capable grasp.) A great deal of latitude has been given to us by our hosts, and we should try to respect that. I hope that we can continue our scientific discussion on a future thread.

  85. Rich Hughes says:

    JanieBell and Kate:

    “No sir, what you have been doing is baiting Dave into a pissing match.”

    No, It was a genuine offer to teach (a noble thing) which I am now withdrawing. I’m afraid your telepathy is off, ladies. Nice blog, though.

    Dave – you’re so good at fighting you carry a gun? Says it all. The point that ‘violence is bad’ seems missed by you (and others, again). “by the premier institution dedicated to the art of human slaughter in the world today” – you were taught to fight by abotion clinics or stem sell researchers? Scary stuff.

    As I recall, being a marine has clouded your objectivity / rationalilty before:

    http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/05/davescots_perfect_storm_of_buf_1.php

    “Like a well trained police dog the concept of losing a fight is inconceivable to me”

    hmmm. Looks like you dropped your gun and ran away..

    Anyhoo – I don’t think our personalities will let me teach you AI. It’s a shame, I was going to start with tic-tac-toe based examples (very small search spaces) and move on from there.

    Just as a technicalility to this thread, JAD asked to see:

    “Show us all your cellulite ridden overweight asses”

    You claim, “DAJ asked for naked pictures of me.” – the two are not the same, I believe his request could be perfomormed partially clothed.

    Fond Regards,
    Rich.

  86. JanieBelle says:

    Zach,

    “(The greenmarker is in someone’s else’s capable grasp.) A great deal of latitude has been given to us by our hosts, and we should try to respect that. I hope that we can continue our scientific discussion on a future thread.”

    We really do appreciate that you’ve made a herculean effort in both regards, Zachriel. Thank you so very much for that.

    We really will get back to some fun science soon, we’ve just been so busy with the trip and the storm prep, and now the clean-up, that I’m afraid we’ve been neglectful of the blog. That should change in a day or so.

    Kisses,
    JanieBelle and Kate
    Big Fans of Zachriel

  87. JanieBelle says:

    Rich,

    “No, It was a genuine offer to teach (a noble thing)…”

    If that is indeed the case, we both humbly offer our apologies. It came off very much like snark.

    “the two are not the same, I believe his request could be perfomormed partially clothed.”

    And we do indeed realize that they are technically different, however consultation with the world’s greatest former lawyer (ok, I’m biased about my Dad…) brought up the question of what a reasonable person would reasonably assume.

    A reasonable person would reasonably assume that a request for photos of cellulite accumulations on an ass would imply a naked ass. At least it would be a reasonable argument in court.

    Reasonably.

    With reasonable reasonableness,
    JanieBelle

  88. Rich Hughes says:

    No worries,as I said, nice blog.

    Snark comes with my ‘Eurotrash’ heritage.

    Not sure if you’d get the jury past ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’, though. The question is still lewd, but ‘nakedness’ is possibly misrepresentation.

  89. JanieBelle says:

    Rich,

    “No worries,as I said, nice blog.”

    Thanks, I’ve worked my butt off on it. If we could just rid ourselves of our one uninvited peckerhead, we’d be all good.

    🙂

    “Snark comes with my ‘Eurotrash’ heritage”

    This is one of those comments where whatever I say will be wrong, so I’m not going to comment.

    😉

    “Not sure if you’d get the jury past ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’, though. The question is still lewd, but ‘nakedness’ is possibly misrepresentation.”

    Quite right, it’s an argument, not a conclusion. The point would of course be to make him stop, regardless of the outcome. I just want him to go away, but like a bad case of diarrhea, he just keeps coming back, oozing and sliming.

  90. Rich Hughes says:

    ‘Please go away’ just be enough for most rational people. I like the green marker corrections though.

    Could we have a blog poll, 5 questions like, fave music, fave other blog, fave icon.. etc. I’d love to see what the high IQ bigwigs put.

  91. blipey says:

    rich hughes:

    Could we have a blog poll, 5 questions like, fave music, fave other blog, fave icon.. etc. I’d love to see what the high IQ bigwigs put.

    1. Agnostic Chant: Getting lost on the path of early music

    2. 2 way tie: SciAmkeepssendingmeceaseanddesists.com & goodlordamIthesmartestguywithayacht.com

    3. stone statue of Khnum

    Oh, sorry. You said the high IQ set; hopefully they’ll come along and let us know. I can then emulate their habits and become a stalker…ah, smart guy.

  92. JanieBelle says:

    Rich,

    Done.

    Blipey! We sure have missed you! How’ve you been?

    Kisses, big long wet tongue kisses,

    Kate and Sleepyhead

  93. DaveScot says:

    Rich “Big Lad” Hughes wrote

    ‘Please go away’ just be enough for most rational people. I like the green marker corrections though.

    “Please go away” sure the fuck didn’t work with Blipey at Uncommon Descent. If I had to name the most persistent pest at that blog it would have to be Blipey. Alan Fox would run a distant second place.

    Kate & JB

    I don’t think Blipey likes girls that way, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.

  94. DaveScot says:

    I have to agree with Rich in that Davison’s request would be difficult proving beyond a reasonable doubt was a lewd request. A fat ass (which is a fair interpretation of the cellulite ass) need not be bare to fulfill the request. The barer the better of course, don’t get me wrong.

    But I think it only fair that a judge and/or jury make the determination so please file that complaint and give the system a chance to work.

  95. DaveScot says:

    biogeer

    I took the PSAT in my junior year of high school, scored the highest in my class, and won a New York State Regents Scholarship based on the score. The scholarship was only good at the State University of New York (SUNY). I only used it for a single semester as I only spent 6 months in New York after I got out of the Corps. The Vietnam Veterans GI Bill paid enough for me to attend college in Southern California which is where I lived from age 19 to 37.

    I graduated from high school at the end of my junior year and joined the Marine Corps. If I had to guess I’d guess that the SAT score I attained at the end of my enlistment was lower than it would have been had I 1) prepared for it and 2) not been 4 years removed from an academic setting. I took a few classes at Pepperdine College of Business in the corps but they were business courses and it’s doubtful they helped to get me back in the groove for a SAT exam.

    Regardless, I’ve always been far more interested in goofing off and
    partying than anything else I can choose to do with my life. Not born with a silver spoon in my mouth that meant I needed to make a lot of money with minimal effort so as to not need to exert any effort for the rest of my life. I made that plan in the first grade. I told my first grade teacher and she told my mom in a parent/teacher conference. I later refined the goal of becoming a financially independent slacker by age 35. It took me until age 43. Engineers are always overly optimistic with their schedules… LOL

  96. Biogeer says:

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  97. Biogeer says:

    The point about SAT scores and such clearly sailed right over your head.

    It’s the weakness of your arguments that’s really important. I’m merely hypothesizing that your weak arguments arise from being thoroughly uneducated in the pertinent areas (e.g. thermodynamics, biology). What’s especially bizarre is that you repetedly choose to make an issue of credentials when your own are so unimpressive.

    That you drone on about your SATs and finances is probably just a sign of insecurity in the presence of more educated and capable participants.

  98. Rich Hughes says:

    Okay. This is a ZERO SNARK POST.

    Your story seems quite the rollercoaster, Dave, from humble beginings to accomplished, independant man. It’s certainly worth a biography.

  99. blipey says:

    DaveScot:

    I don’t think Blipey likes girls that way, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.

    No, Dave; I won’t suck your dick.

    Sorry, couldn’t resist; I know I need to let the “easy ones” go, if you know who I mean and I think you do….

    In all seriousness, DaveTard, have you ever posted anything that has real content?

  100. JohnADavison says:

    I thought I was sane. Can’t my cellulite laden, overweight, intellectual nothing self do anything right?

  101. JohnADavison says:

    “How sweet my fat ass is! Stick something large in it!”
    Dohn Asswipe Javison

    “I can’tStifle the urge to ride my broomstick, if you know what I mean and I think you do!”
    Dohn Asswipe Javison

    “You don’t want to call me sane. The lard-assed mindless creep won’t like it.”
    Dohn Asswipe Javison

  102. DaveScot says:

    That you drone on about your SATs and finances is probably just a sign of insecurity in the presence of more educated and capable participants.

    You seem to be under the impression that only place one can acquire knowledge is a university campus. That’s SO typical.

    Where the rubber meets the road isn’t how you know what you know it’s what you do with what you know. A meme that makes the rounds in Austin, Texas is that we have the largest per capita number of PhD’s in the world who are waiting tables in restaurants.

    I applied my knowledge to become a key engineer in the world’s most successful computer corporation and was rewarded with the financial equivalent of 3 single-recipient Nobel prizes and I didn’t have to wait until my hair turned white to get it. Feel free to tell me what you’ve done with what you know. I predict that, like Rich “Big Lad” Hughes, you’ll decline. That’s typical too.

    Pfffffffffffffffft! Loser.

  103. DaveScot says:

    Can’t you cellulite laden, overweight, intellectual nothings do anything right?

    Can’t you over-educated academics find work that pays more than truck drivers earn?

    That’s a rhetorical question in case you were wondering.

  104. Biogeer says:

    You seem to be under the impression that only place one can acquire knowledge is a university campus. That’s SO typical.

    You see, Dave, this is what we commie ivory-tower homo types refer to as a strawman (based on a denial of the antecedent). It’s not that univeristy is the only place that one can master technical subjects. It’s that your distinct lack of such mastery in key areas (e.g. thermodynamics) was reason to expect that you had not acquired the university education required of real engineers. You subsequently confirmed my suspicion.

  105. DaveScot says:

    Experience is the preferred qualification for engineers except at entry level when you have no experience. I’d guess you’ve either never been employed as an engineer or you’re an entry level engineer. I see you declined to reveal anything about yourself just as I predicted. Must be pretty pitiful in comparison, eh? LOL

  106. Rich Hughes says:

    Dave wants a pissing contest? Sorry Dave – having read your claims I’ve compared and found your life wanting. Modesty prohibits me from vainglorious diatribes such as yours. I’m also much younger than you, so I have more race to run, so to speak. The main thing is if *you* are happy with your lot. I’d also suggest a more holistic life-view, Blipey seems to have it together – I’d suggest him as a positive role model; our gracious hosts, also.

    I guess ‘big lad’ is journalistic. So is ‘Davetard’.

  107. Biogeer says:

    Experience is the preferred qualification for engineers except at entry level when you have no experience.

    Engineering experience is a factor in hiring engineers. However, practice as a real engineer requires an appropriate bachelor’s degree plus a number of years experience (which varies by jurisdiction) as a supervised junior engineer or EIT, in addition to a test on ethics and law. I wouldn’t expect you to know this, since you’re not a real engineer, but I welcome this chance to educate you and any other interested readers on how to tell a programmer or technician who merely has “engineer” on their resume or business card from the real thing.

  108. Biogeer says:

    see you declined to reveal anything about yourself just as I predicted. Must be pretty pitiful in comparison, eh?

    You see how my Blogger name is in light green, there, Dave? You can move the mouse cursor over that, and then click the left mouse button. Amazing things will happen.

    FWIW, I have a B.A.Sc. and a Ph.D. from two of the world’s finest engineering schools, a sizable handful of publications in peer-reviewed engineering and scientific journals (and a number more at large conferences), and am currently a working engineer consulting to the nuclear power industry in Ontario (where, incidentally, it is illegal for an unqualified person such as yourself to use the title engineer). Let’s just say that I’m not having any problems putting food on the table. And that I suspect you would be highly distressed to learn what I scored on the SATs (taken when I was 16).

    Now, how is any of this relevant to your hilarious bragging about your SAT scores and stock-option lottery win in response to Rich offering to help you with your misunderstanding of AI?

  109. DaveScot says:

    biogeer

    Without a name, just empty claims.

    The SAT test was recentered in 1994. Scores post-recentering are considerably higher than before. High IQ societies require 70 points higher on the recentered test to meet entrance criteria. You took the SAT in what year?

    Maybe you should see if you can arrest Dell for employing me with the title Senior Engineer. Some deep pockets there.

    Seriously, you are conflating computer engineering with other types of engineering like designing bridges, running trains, and twiddling with the dials in a nuclear power plant. Certification as a professional engineer is required in all states that I know of for the latter trades and none for the former.

    Only losers think incentive stock options that pay big are a lottery. It makes them feel better about themselves. I was a consulting engineer for Intel in the past and had many excellent references as I’d been designing around Intel x86 CPUs and peripheral chips for more than a decade at smaller companies before going to work for Dell. That was part of the experience and references that Dell considered before they hired me. Experience talks, bullshit walks.

  110. DaveScot says:

    This might help biogeer understand engineering in the computer industry.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer

  111. DaveScot says:

    My primary responsibilities were motherboard design (component level) and bios coding (assembly source level), by the way. I think you have some misconception that I was an MCSE. Not even close. My days were mostly consumed with debugging prototype motherboards with an o-scope, logic analyzer, and in-circuit emulator. I know Mike Dell personally. He loved to prowl the R&D labs back in the day to see how the new designs were coming along. When we got our first DOS prompt on a newly designed motherboard it was traditional to send an email to Mike announcing the milestone. MD would also participate in the test & qualification phase by using pre-production products in his office. He was a real propeller head.

  112. Biogeer says:

    Without a name, just empty claims

    Hey, you asked. I’m sorry that you didn’t like the answer.

    Regardless, I am perfectly content to let my arguments speak for themselves. I will certainly never respond to any of your nonsense by appealing to my higher SAT score (from 1992).

    This might help biogeer understand engineering in the computer industry.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer

    Considering it matches exactly what I said, it wasn’t of much use to me. What is it with IDiots and quoting articles that support their opoonents’ arguments?

    The computer industry is notorious (in the engineering community) for having extremely low standards in assigning the title ‘engineer’. Admittedly, I was unaware that applying the term to unqualified persons such as yourself was also illegal in many US states (although Texas’ standards are obviously lower).

    If your argument is that you are an “engineer” only according to these much lower standards, then I guess we are in agreement.

    But I am forced to repeat:

    Now, how is any of this relevant to your hilarious bragging about your SAT scores and stock-option lottery win in response to Rich offering to help you with your misunderstanding of AI?

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